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Shithole San Francisco: Where a six-figure salary is 'low income'
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Leroy N. Soetoro
2018-07-11 01:51:27 UTC
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A family getting by on $117,400 (£87,970) in one US city can now be
considered 'low income', according to government figures. How can that be
the case?

That workers with six-figure salaries could be considered "poor" is
something that might surprise many people.

But taking into account income and housing costs that is the reality for
some families - who may be eligible for housing assistance - according to
a recent report from the US Department of Housing and Urban Development.

In San Francisco and nearby San Mateo and Marin Counties it said $117,400
for a family of four was "low income", while $73,300 (£54,900) was "very
low income" - the highest figures anywhere in the country.

A look at how earnings vary across the US and between jobs illustrates
what is going in the city and the country as a whole - factors explored by
a new study and interactive website by The Hamilton Project at the
Brookings Institution.

Below the poverty line

Nearly two thirds of American families of four live on less than San
Francisco's "low-income" threshold of $117,400.

Across the US, the median (middle) household income for a family of four
is $91,000 (£68,170). For a family of any size, the figure is $59,000
(£44,180). (Median incomes are used throughout this piece).

And, in a country of 326m, more than 40m people in families of all sizes
live below the poverty line, which is $25,100 (£18,800) for a family of
four.

Looking at all jobs, earnings are much higher in some large cities than
they are in the rest of the country.

San Francisco in particular stands out.

The city has become a hub for IT and other high-tech industry - leading to
an economic boom which has seen it become home to many of the country's
highest-paid workers.

Between 2008 and 2016, individual earnings for full-time workers aged 25
to 64 in the San Francisco metro area, which also includes Alameda and
Contra Costa counties, grew by 26% - far faster than in many other large
metro areas. By 2016, earnings had risen to $63,000 (£47,200)

Of course, there are other areas of the US with high wages.

Among 25 to 64-year-olds, typical earnings for full-time workers in recent
years were $65,000 (£48,670) in San Jose, $60,600 (£45,400) in Washington
DC and $55,700 (£41,700) in Boston.

In high-earning places like these there are many jobs that pay well.

In San Francisco, doctors - the highest-paid occupation - can expect to
earn $193,400 (£144,800). The typical chief executive or public
administrator is paid $167,300 (£125,260), while software developers can
expect $117,100 (£87,670).

But there are plenty of people earning much less.

The lowest-paid people in San Francisco are farm workers, who typically
earn $18,500 (£13,850), while childcare workers earn $22,300 (£16,700).

Wages in other big US cities are noticeably lower.

In Detroit, for example, a doctor typically earns $144,300 (£108,000),
while childcare workers receive only $15,000 (£11,230).

However, the wide variation in earnings is only part of the equation.

Living costs, particularly for housing, play a significant role in
determining how far workers can stretch their earnings.

In fact, living costs in general for the San Francisco area are 25% higher
than the national average.

However, as earnings are 45% higher than for the nation as a whole, many
people in San Francisco are still coming out ahead.

It is when we look at housing costs specifically that the comparison is
less favourable.

In many large cities, the problems of high rents and home prices have been
exacerbated by strict building rules and growing income inequality.

It is high rents in San Francisco that are behind the decision to label
some six-figure earning families as "low income".

For example, a fair market rent for a two-bedroom apartment in the San
Francisco area is considered to be $3,121 (£2,340) per month - nearly
twice the 2008 figure of $1,592 (£1,190). In Cincinnati, Ohio, the figure
is $845 (£632). This difference (270%) is much larger than the difference
in median family incomes (50%).

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As such, affordability is a significant challenge for many people in San
Francisco.

Across the US, the government typically defines a low-income family as one
that earns less than 80% of the median income for families of the same
size, in the same area.

But in places with unusually high housing costs the threshold can be
higher.

In San Francisco, high rents have driven the government's "low income"
threshold of $117,400 (£87,970) almost as high as the median income for a
family of four in the area - $118,400 (£88,630).

While falling below this mark does not automatically entitle families to
government housing assistance such as subsidies and public housing, it is
a factor that is considered.

More important than money
But it is of course worth considering that, for many people, high prices
are something that they are willing to put up with for a good quality of
life.

San Francisco is certainly an expensive place to live, but good weather
and a rich cultural life attract many residents.

Across the US, it is often the case that the places rated most highly for
quality of life - like San Francisco and Santa Barbara in California and
Honolulu in Hawaii - tend to have a high cost of living.

While families with six-figure earnings may not be "low-income" in the
broadest sense, the challenge remains for expensive cities across the US
to find ways to offer a good quality of life to all of their residents.

A critical look at how to make more affordable housing available might be
an obvious place to start.
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Byker
2018-07-11 03:01:26 UTC
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44725026
A family getting by on $117,400 (£87,970) in one US city can now be
considered 'low income', according to government figures. How can that be
the case?
That workers with six-figure salaries could be considered "poor" is
something that might surprise many people.
Let the rich faggots pay for their own damn rebuilding after the next quake
and fire...
Siri Cruise
2018-07-11 05:04:34 UTC
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Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
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A family getting by on $117,400 (£87,970) in one US city can now be
considered 'low income', according to government figures. How can that be
the case?
That workers with six-figure salaries could be considered "poor" is
something that might surprise many people.
Let the rich faggots pay for their own damn rebuilding after the next quake
and fire...
Wait........ $250,000 incomes AND it's a third world shithole.....?

People with higher incomes pay to live in county.
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DoD
2018-07-11 06:35:33 UTC
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Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44725026
A family getting by on $117,400 (£87,970) in one US city can now be
considered 'low income', according to government figures. How can that be
the case?
That workers with six-figure salaries could be considered "poor" is
something that might surprise many people.
Let the rich faggots pay for their own damn rebuilding after the next
quake and fire...
Fuck that... give california, hollywood and all. to Mexico... I WOULD LOVE
TO SEE THAT
HAPPEN....
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Siri Cruise
2018-07-11 06:56:34 UTC
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Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44725026
A family getting by on $117,400 (£87,970) in one US city can now be
considered 'low income', according to government figures. How can that be
the case?
That workers with six-figure salaries could be considered "poor" is
something that might surprise many people.
Let the rich faggots pay for their own damn rebuilding after the next
quake and fire...
Fuck that... give california, hollywood and all. to Mexico... I WOULD LOVE
TO SEE THAT
HAPPEN....
Why would we want Mexico? We'll invite Oregon, Washington, and British Columbia
instead.
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DoD
2018-07-11 07:15:22 UTC
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Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44725026
A family getting by on $117,400 (£87,970) in one US city can now be
considered 'low income', according to government figures. How can that be
the case?
That workers with six-figure salaries could be considered "poor" is
something that might surprise many people.
Let the rich faggots pay for their own damn rebuilding after the next
quake and fire...
Fuck that... give california, hollywood and all. to Mexico... I WOULD LOVE
TO SEE THAT
HAPPEN....
Why would we want Mexico?
I KNOW!!! You already have enough of those spics to rake your leaves
and change your kids diapers... Why would you actually want to be ruled
by them!!!!



And the other one the other day that said hide your nannies or
something...like that.. maybe if I followed pop culture more, I would
remember the name...
Post by Siri Cruise
We'll invite Oregon, Washington, and British Columbia
instead.
I would seriously like you man the fuck up and put your money where you
mouth is..

I think seriously, if you were put on a corner where some brown skinned
people were, without
a safety net, you would piss your pants...
Gary Roselles
2018-07-12 07:16:55 UTC
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Post by Leroy N. Soetoro
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-44725026
A family getting by on $117,400 (£87,970) in one US city can now be
considered 'low income', according to government figures. How can that be
the case?
That workers with six-figure salaries could be considered "poor" is
something that might surprise many people.
Let the rich faggots pay for their own damn rebuilding after the next
quake and fire...
Fuck that... give california, hollywood and all. to Mexico... I WOULD LOVE
TO SEE THAT
HAPPEN....
Why would we want Mexico?
I KNOW!!! You already have enough of those spics to rake your leaves
and change your kids diapers... Why would you actually want to be ruled
by them!!!!
We've already given Mexico Northern California and part of
Oregon. Why should we hand over the rest of the state?
Post by DoD
http://youtu.be/0m5S91y3fL8
And the other one the other day that said hide your nannies or
something...like that.. maybe if I followed pop culture more, I would
remember the name...
Post by Siri Cruise
We'll invite Oregon, Washington, and British Columbia
instead.
I would seriously like you man the fuck up and put your money where you
mouth is..
I think seriously, if you were put on a corner where some brown skinned
people were, without
a safety net, you would piss your pants...
Mexicans don't hand out on street corners. They got sense
enough to know you can pick them off with a car or their brothas
will cap them.

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